This past weekend, we attended three Traditional Official Visits. There were lots of members there and I hope that the attendance continues so well. That would be great!
I have to confess however, that the first couple of OV weekends have a big advantage because by custom, the previous year's Grand Family attends the first three OVs in the North and in the South and lots of additional dignitaries usually come as well because years of service are often recognized at those first OVs.
Another help is that, since the tradition is also that those first OVs are determined by the presence of Past Grands with which the Worthy Grand Matron served and very few Past Grands come from remote areas, most, although not all, coming from larger population centers, that helps too.
Still, regardless of why, it was great to see so many people and have a chance to visit with our members. I wish that the time in the Chapter room was shorter though, because I can only sit for so long.
Of course, Official Visits are much on my mind these days, as I work with my Dragon Riders to determine the time, date, food and type for the Official Visits next year so I can finish the calendar. Right now, I have nineteen down for Traditional, eighteen down for Social and two down for Reception style. But I confess that I am asking the two that are down for Reception style why they want that one because for the life of me, I can't figure it out on my own.
Personally, I confess to liking Social OVs that are done well because they are more interesting and entertaining and they allow more social time with the members. They are also events to which non-members can be invited so it is a real opportunity for a District to have guests and show them what we are all about and that we are a fun and wonderful group, which of course we are!!! But Traditional OVs done well are okay too and hopefully, with some format changes next year, we will get to have the added social time with the members. Rather than stating a "preference", which is a disguise for a directive, I have asked that each group of Dragon Riders choose the type of Official Visit which will garner the most attendance in their area. In some areas, no one will come to the wrong type of OV, which I find a bit appalling because the members should be coming to meet their Grand Officers and give the Grand Family a chance to get to know them, regardless of format, yet nevertheless, this issue does exist and so we have to accept that as reality. Thus, if we want to maximize attendance, I feel that the chosen format should be the most popular for that area, regardless of any personal preference on my part.
But I cannot figure out the goal of the Reception style of OV. Basically, a Traditional Style is like a closed meeting. Only members can attend and we use our regular ceremonial opening and closing to start and end the meeting and in the middle is a bunch of escort and introductions and some speeches and then some presentations. A Social Style is like a meal event. Anyone can attend because we are not doing any of our confidential ceremonial work and usually there is a meal and a speaker or an entertainment or a community service thing and then we give our speeches and call it a day. There are some introductions, but a lot less and faster usually.
But a Reception style is the same as a Traditional Style except that a big chunk of the ceremonial opening, about twenty to twenty-five minutes of it, is cut out and you don't have to put out all the furniture. Other than the set up and this hole in the opening ceremony, everything else is the same. So why? If you want to use the twenty minutes for a speaker or entertainment, why do it in the format of a closed meeting instead of Social Style. And if the Ritual work is important to you, why not go ahead and do the full Traditional Style OV? I cannot figure this one out.
Someone suggested to me that maybe the area wants to have a speaker or something, but also wants the event to be formal. But that doesn't compute to me because you could have an evening Social OV with a formal dress code. It is not often done, but there is not reason you couldn't do it. And as we saw last year, you can (gasp - suck carpet - die from lack of oxygen) have a Traditional OV in a dress code less than formal and the walls of the Masonic Center will not cave in, really, really. So I don't see dress code as having a controlling power on type of OV.
I have asked the two Districts to let me know why they want the twenty minute gap and what they plan to do with it, so we can see if this really is the right format for them or if it really ought to be something else. We'll see how that comes out.
Next weekend, I am in Vallejo, Sacramento and Tracy.
Monday, January 30, 2012
Thursday, January 26, 2012
Up and Down and All Around
This past weekend, we finished the last School of Instruction and the last few All Member Instructionals, getting set to start the Official Visits for this year. I understand that the Transitionals have also been finished for this year, so all of the Ritual Instruction to be done by the Grand Family is over and now it is time to see how well some of those lessons have been learned, hopefully with the help of refreshers from our local Deputy Grand Matrons.
One of the things that we don't seem to have a good way to measure is how much people actually learn at the Instructionals and how much value it has for them. Also, we don't know which parts are better or less useful. Without this data, it is tough to try to figure out how to improve so that we can maximize the value to our membership. I know that we have a committee that is starting to put together some questionnaires for the members to fill out, but we will have to see if that yields good numbers of responses and good data. I sure hope so because data lets us aim our efforts instead of shooting in the dark.
The quality of the instruction will be particularly important this year, as I am expecting that most if not all of the Official Visits to be Traditional style. As I understand it, the instructions to the Worthy Matrons were that the Worthy Grand Matron prefers that Districts that did a Social Style OV last year do a Traditional one this year. Nothing was said about a preference for those Chapters that did Traditional last year. But looking at a spread sheet that I started putting together back in 2008, it looks to me like in years where each district is allowed to choose, certain ones always choose Traditional and certain ones always choose Social, so if you tell the Socials to do Traditional, the odds of any of the ones that did Traditional last year doing Social this year are slim - not impossible, but thin. And of course, since we are all careful to state preferences rather than giving orders, I suppose someone out there who did Social last year might do Social this year anyway, but ironically, that would be a bit anti-social. :-)
So expecting all Traditional Official Visits fills me with some mixed emotions. On the one hand, our Ritual work is amazingly beautiful when it is done well. Unfortunately, it can be like sitting through nails on a chalkboard when it is done poorly. So first, a quiet prayer must be offered up that all of the officers will have practiced diligently and will be prepared to do a splendid job so that every Visit will go smoothly and enjoyably. Otherwise, sitting through one of these can feel like being in the back seat of the car with your Grandmother driving down the freeway at thirty-five miles an hour and wondering why everyone is honking at her. Again, a quiet prayer that there will be no problem.
The other thing that becomes relevant, especially for some of the Grand Officers, is that in the usual course of things, if a District does not have an installed officer for a particular station, the Grand Officer fills in and does the work for the Official Visit. Now when you know about this in advance, it is easy to give yourself a quick refresher before you get to the event. But I have been to several OVs where the Grand Officer found out they were filling in when they got there. I myself have sat in as the Ritual officer at least once every year I have served except the last year - there was always at least one Conductress at every Traditional OV I attended last year, so I dodged the bullet on that one.
Of course, the Grand Officers have been doing an awesome job of their Ritual work at all the Instructionals and Schools, so they will do great if they have to do their work, but sometimes it is just nervous-making not to know if you are going to have to "perform", so hopefully there will be few surprises.
Next weekend, I will be in San Marino, Yorba Linda, Orange and Newhall.
One of the things that we don't seem to have a good way to measure is how much people actually learn at the Instructionals and how much value it has for them. Also, we don't know which parts are better or less useful. Without this data, it is tough to try to figure out how to improve so that we can maximize the value to our membership. I know that we have a committee that is starting to put together some questionnaires for the members to fill out, but we will have to see if that yields good numbers of responses and good data. I sure hope so because data lets us aim our efforts instead of shooting in the dark.
The quality of the instruction will be particularly important this year, as I am expecting that most if not all of the Official Visits to be Traditional style. As I understand it, the instructions to the Worthy Matrons were that the Worthy Grand Matron prefers that Districts that did a Social Style OV last year do a Traditional one this year. Nothing was said about a preference for those Chapters that did Traditional last year. But looking at a spread sheet that I started putting together back in 2008, it looks to me like in years where each district is allowed to choose, certain ones always choose Traditional and certain ones always choose Social, so if you tell the Socials to do Traditional, the odds of any of the ones that did Traditional last year doing Social this year are slim - not impossible, but thin. And of course, since we are all careful to state preferences rather than giving orders, I suppose someone out there who did Social last year might do Social this year anyway, but ironically, that would be a bit anti-social. :-)
So expecting all Traditional Official Visits fills me with some mixed emotions. On the one hand, our Ritual work is amazingly beautiful when it is done well. Unfortunately, it can be like sitting through nails on a chalkboard when it is done poorly. So first, a quiet prayer must be offered up that all of the officers will have practiced diligently and will be prepared to do a splendid job so that every Visit will go smoothly and enjoyably. Otherwise, sitting through one of these can feel like being in the back seat of the car with your Grandmother driving down the freeway at thirty-five miles an hour and wondering why everyone is honking at her. Again, a quiet prayer that there will be no problem.
The other thing that becomes relevant, especially for some of the Grand Officers, is that in the usual course of things, if a District does not have an installed officer for a particular station, the Grand Officer fills in and does the work for the Official Visit. Now when you know about this in advance, it is easy to give yourself a quick refresher before you get to the event. But I have been to several OVs where the Grand Officer found out they were filling in when they got there. I myself have sat in as the Ritual officer at least once every year I have served except the last year - there was always at least one Conductress at every Traditional OV I attended last year, so I dodged the bullet on that one.
Of course, the Grand Officers have been doing an awesome job of their Ritual work at all the Instructionals and Schools, so they will do great if they have to do their work, but sometimes it is just nervous-making not to know if you are going to have to "perform", so hopefully there will be few surprises.
Next weekend, I will be in San Marino, Yorba Linda, Orange and Newhall.
Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Inertia
One of Newton's Laws of Motion (he had three major ones and his "laws" ruled the multiverse until Einstein came along and made everything complicated - they are still good as long as you don't go too fast or too near a black hole :-) states that a body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest. That tendency to just sit there motionless and the energy it takes to overcome that sittingness and get moving defines the inertia of the object. This is why, when your car dies on the road, it takes a big push to get the thing moving, but once it's moving, it tends to roll a lot easier and in fact, you have to pull on it or use the brakes or run to the front real fast when you want it to stop. You have to apply enough force to overcome its inertia to get it rolling and then you have to apply extra force again to make it stop.
But I have discovered that people have inertia too - there is a tendency to do things as we have always done them and it takes an added amount of energy to make a change. If the change is a good one and you do it for a few years, then that becomes the new version of reality and we do that new thing until another amount of energy is applied to change things again. If you do not add energy to the system, the thing just goes the way it has always gone.
Of course any system has a limited amount of energy floating around in it available to do stuff. Unfortunately, this is also true of a Grand Line Officer. So we tend to triage a bit and focus on some things and not all things, because there often isn't enough energy to do everything. You can get around that a bit by doing lots and lots of planning and prep work ahead of time so that the slingshot is wound and ready to go when the time comes, but still, there are lots of things that we are not allowed to do ahead of time too.
I've been thinking about this because I have been discussing some changes in scheduling and formatting for next year with the appropriate people and what I find amazing is the number of times that I say I would like to see something done differently and someone else says, "Oh yes, we really need to do that. We've thought about it and talked about it for years, but we've never tried changing it." Or they say, "Oh yes, our members have wanted us to do that for a long time, so that would be great." While I am the first to admit that it is nice to hear that one's ideas are not all out in the tall weeds, I get puzzled about why changes weren't made earlier.
As near as I can figure out, it seems to be either a Forest for the Trees problem or an Authority problem. Either because they've always done it that way, they are too close to the problem to see what needs doing, but when you show it to them they have an Ah-Hah moment or they are worried that they don't have the power to Change The Tradition of Forever, but if the AGM wants it different when she is WGM, well then all to the good because then it is her fault and not the local members' responsibility.
But the problem is that this only works to the extent I know about it and have the chance to help with the planning for next year. Where I don't know about it, I can't help. So I am wondering what the best way would be to help get people thinking about what they do and if they could do better. How do you encourage people to really look at what they do, sort of from the outside, and ask themselves if this is the best way or just the way it's always been? When I have the answer to that, I bet I could make some real money. ;-)
Next weekend, I am in Riverside and Ventura.
But I have discovered that people have inertia too - there is a tendency to do things as we have always done them and it takes an added amount of energy to make a change. If the change is a good one and you do it for a few years, then that becomes the new version of reality and we do that new thing until another amount of energy is applied to change things again. If you do not add energy to the system, the thing just goes the way it has always gone.
Of course any system has a limited amount of energy floating around in it available to do stuff. Unfortunately, this is also true of a Grand Line Officer. So we tend to triage a bit and focus on some things and not all things, because there often isn't enough energy to do everything. You can get around that a bit by doing lots and lots of planning and prep work ahead of time so that the slingshot is wound and ready to go when the time comes, but still, there are lots of things that we are not allowed to do ahead of time too.
I've been thinking about this because I have been discussing some changes in scheduling and formatting for next year with the appropriate people and what I find amazing is the number of times that I say I would like to see something done differently and someone else says, "Oh yes, we really need to do that. We've thought about it and talked about it for years, but we've never tried changing it." Or they say, "Oh yes, our members have wanted us to do that for a long time, so that would be great." While I am the first to admit that it is nice to hear that one's ideas are not all out in the tall weeds, I get puzzled about why changes weren't made earlier.
As near as I can figure out, it seems to be either a Forest for the Trees problem or an Authority problem. Either because they've always done it that way, they are too close to the problem to see what needs doing, but when you show it to them they have an Ah-Hah moment or they are worried that they don't have the power to Change The Tradition of Forever, but if the AGM wants it different when she is WGM, well then all to the good because then it is her fault and not the local members' responsibility.
But the problem is that this only works to the extent I know about it and have the chance to help with the planning for next year. Where I don't know about it, I can't help. So I am wondering what the best way would be to help get people thinking about what they do and if they could do better. How do you encourage people to really look at what they do, sort of from the outside, and ask themselves if this is the best way or just the way it's always been? When I have the answer to that, I bet I could make some real money. ;-)
Next weekend, I am in Riverside and Ventura.
Thursday, January 12, 2012
Rotations
This past weekend we got back on the road, with two instructionals in the north part of our state. It has been great having the chance to meet with our local members and talk about plans and upcoming events that they should consider attending. I wish we had more time to talk. In years past, the meeting was the last thing, so groups that were done earlier could go and groups that had more to cover could stay and we have a defined time, so that is less useful, but then again, there were years when we didn't do these at all or only in very limited areas, so some is certainly better than none.
Having an e-mail list though has made up for a lot of it though. I've already put out two e-mails with more information in the past week and am ecstatic that I have all but twenty-eight of the Associate Matrons of California on my e-mail list. Of course I also have ten Chapters that don't have an Associate Matron and I am very worried about those because how are they going to have a good year next year if no one is planning it this year? The new Dragon Riders coming in now have a lot of catching up to do, but at least they will be in on the planning of the Official Visit and such. Those who come in next year, and every Chapter will have to have SOMEONE take the office or the previous person has to stay in it, will spend the whole year scrambling to catch up and that's gotta be tough!
One of the questions that keeps coming up is "From what Chapter will you choose the Deputy Grand Matron for our District?" I am a little puzzled at this question because I would think that getting the best person is more important than getting someone from a particular Chapter, but I can appreciate that if there is a good person in every Chapter in a District, you'd want to do a little rotating around so that one Chapter doesn't supply the person all the time. And I have found out that in some Districts, they are very strict about their rotation and quite put out if you don't follow it. Unfortunately for those Districts, they've been put out for a few years now because between consolidations and people not wanting to serve, most rotations have been blown to the place of eternal punishment in a wicker container carried by grip. So at this point, how do you rotate those?
To be sure, I have a list of all the people who have served as Deputy since 2007, sorted by the Chapter from which they came and I have listed on my spread sheet the two or three Chapters who have waited the longest since they had a Deputy and when I have lots of recommendations in a District, I have no problem in considering that timing as one of several factors. But in some Districts, I have no recommendations at all and in others, only one or two, so if they don't come from the right Chapters, what can an Associate Grand Matron do? In a perfect world, I would have a couple of names from every Chapter but in that perfect world, my teleportation machine works and I save tons on gas and airline tickets, so much for that!
So getting back to unfortunate reality, the choices are limited, especially if you are looking at new people and not as much as repeaters, which is the other wrinkle that a hot iron set on cotton doesn't seem to affect. Some people feel that if there is any new person, even a marginally qualified new person, that is better than taking a repeater and some people feel the exact opposite. There has been some discussion about what would happen if we tried to consider re-appointing the same Deputy for two, three or even four years. One of the advantages of the plan is that presumably, the Deputy would get better, more knowledgeable and more capable each year. Another advantage is that, let's say on a three year rotation, each AGM would only be trying to fill a third of the slots instead of all of them each time and that would really help! It also means that there would only be a Deputy reception in the District every three or four years instead of every year.
But the downsides are that people would have to accept that the Deputy is not changing Chapters each year, that less people will have the opportunity, and in some areas, they would have to change their expectations. Right now, there are some districts where it is understood that the Deputy will be coming to two, maybe three meetings and will be holding one, maybe two practices for each Chapter. In other areas, they think that the Deputy is supposed to show up for EVERY meeting of EVERY Chapter in their District for the whole year. That simply blows my mind! I think that sometimes, the Worthy Matron ought to get to preside without her teacher sitting at her elbow watching her and we'd get more people willing to do the job if we didn't overburden it. Nevertheless, in the areas with the 100% tradition, if the Deputy substantially fails expectations, they get a lot of grief about it and, needless to say, you'd burn a person up pretty quickly if you required that of them.
So it is a tricky issue, but given our demographics, one that will probably have to be wrestled with sooner, rather than later.
Next weekend, I am in San Jose, Fairfield and Vallejo.
Having an e-mail list though has made up for a lot of it though. I've already put out two e-mails with more information in the past week and am ecstatic that I have all but twenty-eight of the Associate Matrons of California on my e-mail list. Of course I also have ten Chapters that don't have an Associate Matron and I am very worried about those because how are they going to have a good year next year if no one is planning it this year? The new Dragon Riders coming in now have a lot of catching up to do, but at least they will be in on the planning of the Official Visit and such. Those who come in next year, and every Chapter will have to have SOMEONE take the office or the previous person has to stay in it, will spend the whole year scrambling to catch up and that's gotta be tough!
One of the questions that keeps coming up is "From what Chapter will you choose the Deputy Grand Matron for our District?" I am a little puzzled at this question because I would think that getting the best person is more important than getting someone from a particular Chapter, but I can appreciate that if there is a good person in every Chapter in a District, you'd want to do a little rotating around so that one Chapter doesn't supply the person all the time. And I have found out that in some Districts, they are very strict about their rotation and quite put out if you don't follow it. Unfortunately for those Districts, they've been put out for a few years now because between consolidations and people not wanting to serve, most rotations have been blown to the place of eternal punishment in a wicker container carried by grip. So at this point, how do you rotate those?
To be sure, I have a list of all the people who have served as Deputy since 2007, sorted by the Chapter from which they came and I have listed on my spread sheet the two or three Chapters who have waited the longest since they had a Deputy and when I have lots of recommendations in a District, I have no problem in considering that timing as one of several factors. But in some Districts, I have no recommendations at all and in others, only one or two, so if they don't come from the right Chapters, what can an Associate Grand Matron do? In a perfect world, I would have a couple of names from every Chapter but in that perfect world, my teleportation machine works and I save tons on gas and airline tickets, so much for that!
So getting back to unfortunate reality, the choices are limited, especially if you are looking at new people and not as much as repeaters, which is the other wrinkle that a hot iron set on cotton doesn't seem to affect. Some people feel that if there is any new person, even a marginally qualified new person, that is better than taking a repeater and some people feel the exact opposite. There has been some discussion about what would happen if we tried to consider re-appointing the same Deputy for two, three or even four years. One of the advantages of the plan is that presumably, the Deputy would get better, more knowledgeable and more capable each year. Another advantage is that, let's say on a three year rotation, each AGM would only be trying to fill a third of the slots instead of all of them each time and that would really help! It also means that there would only be a Deputy reception in the District every three or four years instead of every year.
But the downsides are that people would have to accept that the Deputy is not changing Chapters each year, that less people will have the opportunity, and in some areas, they would have to change their expectations. Right now, there are some districts where it is understood that the Deputy will be coming to two, maybe three meetings and will be holding one, maybe two practices for each Chapter. In other areas, they think that the Deputy is supposed to show up for EVERY meeting of EVERY Chapter in their District for the whole year. That simply blows my mind! I think that sometimes, the Worthy Matron ought to get to preside without her teacher sitting at her elbow watching her and we'd get more people willing to do the job if we didn't overburden it. Nevertheless, in the areas with the 100% tradition, if the Deputy substantially fails expectations, they get a lot of grief about it and, needless to say, you'd burn a person up pretty quickly if you required that of them.
So it is a tricky issue, but given our demographics, one that will probably have to be wrestled with sooner, rather than later.
Next weekend, I am in San Jose, Fairfield and Vallejo.
Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Blink and You Miss It
This past weekend was filled with tasks, some of which even got done. What is amazing though is the length of the lead time on so many things. You try really hard to keep everything low key and to avoid intruding on anything going on this year, but Wow! If you don't get stuff done early, you are dooooooomed! And if you blink, the time is gone and the next thing you know, you're rushing around. I hate rushing around. Sigh!
So this past weekend, my fraternal mom and I had a lovely meeting to talk about, of all things, Grand Installation. Yes, an event that isn't going to take place for almost ten more months, nevertheless, plans have to get started now because of the long lead time on the many items to be arranged.
For example, it has been traditional for the Grand Officers (or at least the ladies - why the men are often spared this is completely beyond me) to have a carrying piece that they carry in when they are introduced during the recess and that they then carry it to their station when they are installed and put it on a stand and it becomes part of the Installation decorations and then they take the carrying pieces and stands home with them and then they have to bring them back the following year to serve as decorations during one's Grand Chapter session and then they get to take them home again, again!
The carrying pieces can be whatever you want them to be, but lovely stained glass panels of the Worthy Grand Matron's emblem have become the carrying piece of choice for many ladies. I have seen (and been the happy recipient) of other types of pieces that are truly lovely (I have an embroidered piece that came out wonderfully), but no matter what sort of thing it is, they usually need months of lead time to have them made plus having the stands made, so you have to decide in January what you want in October. It is also traditional for the Deputy Grand Matrons to have carrying pieces, so that's another couple of dozen things that have to be made. At least that is something I didn't have to decide about because it is supposed to be a surprise. Yay! Something that I just get to show up and enjoy! Yay, yay, yay!!!
Then there is deciding who is going to do what in the ceremony, if there is any special music or set up for which you have to find instrumentalists, singers or sheet music, whether you want corsages and so on and so on and so on. All I can say is that I am truly grateful that at least after making the decisions, I have my fraternal parents to turn all this stuff into reality. And being a triangle (which means someone who loves to delegate) I am totally yay on having people I can count on to get stuff done and having them worry about it so I can take it off my head. I have lots of other things still in process, so getting my installation list down to buying a dress and writing a speech sounds wonderful, maybe mythical, but still great sounding.
It was also the weekend for getting some more calendar items done in preparation for locking the calendar. Hopefully I have all the date requests by now and no one else will want a slot for anything, but we'll see. :-). And of course, with some dates, putting them on the calendar also involves finding a chair person to agree to get a location and get that to me, and we will see how that goes too.
Next weekend, I am in Ukiah and Los Molinos.
So this past weekend, my fraternal mom and I had a lovely meeting to talk about, of all things, Grand Installation. Yes, an event that isn't going to take place for almost ten more months, nevertheless, plans have to get started now because of the long lead time on the many items to be arranged.
For example, it has been traditional for the Grand Officers (or at least the ladies - why the men are often spared this is completely beyond me) to have a carrying piece that they carry in when they are introduced during the recess and that they then carry it to their station when they are installed and put it on a stand and it becomes part of the Installation decorations and then they take the carrying pieces and stands home with them and then they have to bring them back the following year to serve as decorations during one's Grand Chapter session and then they get to take them home again, again!
The carrying pieces can be whatever you want them to be, but lovely stained glass panels of the Worthy Grand Matron's emblem have become the carrying piece of choice for many ladies. I have seen (and been the happy recipient) of other types of pieces that are truly lovely (I have an embroidered piece that came out wonderfully), but no matter what sort of thing it is, they usually need months of lead time to have them made plus having the stands made, so you have to decide in January what you want in October. It is also traditional for the Deputy Grand Matrons to have carrying pieces, so that's another couple of dozen things that have to be made. At least that is something I didn't have to decide about because it is supposed to be a surprise. Yay! Something that I just get to show up and enjoy! Yay, yay, yay!!!
Then there is deciding who is going to do what in the ceremony, if there is any special music or set up for which you have to find instrumentalists, singers or sheet music, whether you want corsages and so on and so on and so on. All I can say is that I am truly grateful that at least after making the decisions, I have my fraternal parents to turn all this stuff into reality. And being a triangle (which means someone who loves to delegate) I am totally yay on having people I can count on to get stuff done and having them worry about it so I can take it off my head. I have lots of other things still in process, so getting my installation list down to buying a dress and writing a speech sounds wonderful, maybe mythical, but still great sounding.
It was also the weekend for getting some more calendar items done in preparation for locking the calendar. Hopefully I have all the date requests by now and no one else will want a slot for anything, but we'll see. :-). And of course, with some dates, putting them on the calendar also involves finding a chair person to agree to get a location and get that to me, and we will see how that goes too.
Next weekend, I am in Ukiah and Los Molinos.
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